TD: And how did you get involved in DW?
In the Parachute Brigade, there were two lads called Paganelli and Evans who won the DW. I had heard of it before because being involved in all sorts of watermanship things, I was aware of it. So I decided it had to be done. My brother-in-law was a cadet at the time, and I lived at Alton, so I decided it was something we had to do. So I went and saw Paganelli and Evans. I'm sorry, I don't know their Christian names. They were just called Paganelli and Evans to me. They lent us a boat, which we took on the canal, and we instantly fell out. And they said, “well, take the seats out, and next week you'll be alright”. So we took the seats out. This is February, of course. And in those days, you paddled in tracksuit bottoms and a rugby shirt. So we tried again the next week, we fell out again. And the next week it was a race called Waterside A. And so young Evans said to me, “put a concrete block in the boat and sit on the concrete block that will lower the centre of gravity and everything will be fine”. So we went up the start line and we were sitting on our concrete blocks, we took the first rope and capsized and the boat sank to the bottom of the canal. So I then managed to find another boat that was called “Moonraker”. And so we got in this boat, we paddled a quarter of a mile up the canal and back. That was our training done. I mean, we thought “you don't need all this paddling up and down and training crap”. So that was it. We managed to con a couple of school friends to be the support team. And in those days, there was no water in a lot of the canals at all, and lots of bits were very narrow and shallow. We did manage to finish in 25 hours and 47 minutes which, considering the conditions, we were quite pleased with and then didn't do it again for a long time because I didn't have a partner.